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Reflection Questions Day 9
Poll:
  1. Reflect on verses 15,16 and 17 on the mood of the seeker while chanting these prayers.

  2. What does the upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses?


1. Reflect on verses 15,16 and 17 on the mood of the seeker while chanting these prayers. 2. What does the upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses?
  1. These are the prayers done at the time of death.For remembering at that time, one must have done Upasana properly all life.He requests hiranyagarbha,orders with full rights, feels oneness.He asks to ignore his mistakes done unknowingly & not to forget him.All these show mind is still tensed.The sense of individuality has not been erased.

  2. Above verses may seem like praising Devyaan path or Krama mukti but it's indirectly criticizing.Disadvantages:The practices need to be done properly.Long process to get liberated going from one devta to another then reaching Brahmaloka (which appears as Vaikunta,Shivaloka etc) ,being there for 1 Kalpa & then only get the knowledge.Upanishad means to say Krama mukti is like tasty mirage water, best dream.So we should don't waste time on this & get Aatma Vidya become free here & now & remain fearless at the time of death.


1. These are the prayers done at the time of death. For remembering at that time, one must have done Upasana properly all life. He requests hiranyagarbha,orders with full rights, feels oneness. He asks to ignore his mistakes done unknowingly & not to forget him. All these show mind is still tensed. The sense of individuality has not been erased. 2. Above verses may seem like praising Devyaan path or Krama mukti but it's indirectly criticizing. Disadvantages: The practices need to be done properly. Long process to get liberated going from one devta to another then reaching Brahmaloka (which appears as Vaikunta,Shivaloka etc) ,being there for 1 Kalpa & then only get the knowledge. Upanishad means to say Krama mukti is like tasty mirage water, best dream. So we should don't waste time on this & get Aatma Vidya become free here & now & remain fearless at the time of death.
edited Oct 1 '23 at 10:15 am

Reflection 9. Answer 1. In verses, 15,16 and 17, the seeker is chanting prayers to Hiranyagarbha, addressing him as Pooshan,yama,son of Prajapathi etc. The seeker is "near death" and wishes to SEE his GOD, whom he has been worshipping all his life. He wants to MERGE with Hiranyagarbha and says that the effulgence of his GOD is blinding him and covering his face, making it impossible to visualise him. He requests that his GOD, withdraws this effulgence so he can see his GOD. He says to HIM "I AM YOU"
He pleads with AGNI to burn his body to ashes and let him MERGE with Hiranyagarbha, he asks GOD to IGNORE the few faults he may still have.AS he has devoted his entire life to HIM, he is now ready to MERGE with HIM.Even at this juncture his INDIVIDUALITY has NOT been lost !! He has not lost his IGNORANCE. HE has NOT REALISED THE SELF.
Answer 2. The upanishad wants to convey that THE SEEKER may have attained BRAHMA-LOKA,and gained enormous MATERIAL GAINS and SIDDHIS too, by COMBINING the performance of VIDYA and AVIDYA, but all this, is still BLINDING DARKNESS, as his BHOGA has increased too and his ATTACHMENT TO BHOGA has increased too.He may have attained DEVA-LOKA and attained DEVATMA-BHAVA , but all this is a MIRAGE !! IGNORANCE STILL PERSISTS.
UNTIL he has REALISED THE SELF, seen the SAME SELF IN all SENTIENT beings and NON-SENTIENT objects of this world,
Until he has realised that the SELF is the only UNBORN, CONSCIOUSNESS that pervades the entire universe,
UNTIL he realises that the world is a superimposition on the SELF,
UNTIL he realises "BRAHMA SATYAM,JAGAN MITYA"
UNTIL he attains "ATMA-VIDYA", he is in blinding darkness and has not reached the GOAL of life. So the seeker must NEVER BE SATISFIED UNTIL THE SELF IS REALISED, says the UPANISHAD.
ISHAVASYA IDAM SARVAM is the goal, nothing less.


Reflection 9. **Answer 1.** In verses, 15,16 and 17, the seeker is chanting prayers to Hiranyagarbha, addressing him as Pooshan,yama,son of Prajapathi etc. The seeker is "near death" and wishes to SEE his GOD, whom he has been worshipping all his life. He wants to MERGE with Hiranyagarbha and says that the effulgence of his GOD is blinding him and covering his face, making it impossible to visualise him. He requests that his GOD, withdraws this effulgence so he can see his GOD. He says to HIM "I AM YOU" He pleads with AGNI to burn his body to ashes and let him MERGE with Hiranyagarbha, he asks GOD to IGNORE the few faults he may still have.AS he has devoted his entire life to HIM, he is now ready to MERGE with HIM.Even at this juncture his INDIVIDUALITY has NOT been lost !! He has not lost his IGNORANCE. HE has NOT REALISED THE SELF. **Answer 2.** The upanishad wants to convey that THE SEEKER may have attained BRAHMA-LOKA,and gained enormous MATERIAL GAINS and SIDDHIS too, by COMBINING the performance of VIDYA and AVIDYA, but all this, is still BLINDING DARKNESS, as his BHOGA has increased too and his ATTACHMENT TO BHOGA has increased too.He may have attained DEVA-LOKA and attained DEVATMA-BHAVA , but all this is a MIRAGE !! IGNORANCE STILL PERSISTS. UNTIL he has REALISED THE SELF, seen the SAME SELF IN all SENTIENT beings and NON-SENTIENT objects of this world, Until he has realised that the SELF is the only UNBORN, CONSCIOUSNESS that pervades the entire universe, UNTIL he realises that the world is a superimposition on the SELF, UNTIL he realises "BRAHMA SATYAM,JAGAN MITYA" UNTIL he attains "ATMA-VIDYA", he is in blinding darkness and has not reached the GOAL of life. So the seeker must NEVER BE SATISFIED UNTIL THE SELF IS REALISED, says the UPANISHAD. ISHAVASYA IDAM SARVAM is the goal, nothing less.

1. Reflect on verses 15,16 and 17 on the mood of the seeker while chanting these prayers.


ANSWER:
Surya is taken as the Prateeka and Upasaka is in the death bed, and he is addressing Hiranyagarbha as Pushan, the imperishable effulgent apekshika satya to show the passage that is hidden by the Hiranmaya patra, meaning the golden rays of the Pushan is serving as an obstacle to be one with that Lord whom he was worshipping through upasana for his life time.
He feels that since he has been with love and devotion worshipped the Hiranyagarbha, through the alambanam of Aditya Mandala purusha, he has got the satya nature to himself as well and so asking to remove the obstacle as both the totality and Individuality (sukshma) are same.


The glories of the Pushan is given further in the verse 16 such as


  • One who traverses alone
  • One who controls everything
  • One who takes waters, prana and Rashmi/light in Him.
  • One who is the son of Prajapathi

Then finally the prayer is to collect all the rays as he wants to look at the Lord, who is in the auspicious form or most charming lovely form.
Finally he feels the aikhya with the deity of worship, which he has been learning from the shastra in his lifetime, he is now experiencing it. This is because of the Ahangruha upasana
.


So, the verse ends with the realisation that sah eva aham (meaning the oneness with the Hiranyagarbha).


Finally in the verse 17, he places request that may his individuality (prana/suksham sharira) be merged with the Samashti vayu (Sutratma). He even mentions that the sthula sharira may it be burnt into ashes, as he does not care about it anymore. This is because he has merged with the deity of his worship.


He addresses Hiranyagarbha (as one who is known through Omkara and also addresses him as the Sankalpa atman, i.e., the Samashti thougts of all, and Kritho is the Sambodhana, which means Oh Lord) to remember him and hand hold him to the Satya loka as he has practiced his whole life time the upasana with utmost sincerity.


The Upasaka's mentality in the death bed is the feeling and the experiencing of oneness with Lord of his worship in his life time, thereby these are not the request but instead more like an order as he has got the identification established with that Sutratma.


2. What does the upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses?


ANSWER:
The upanishad conveys that though this is the highest form of death for a upasaka, to take up the Devayana but still why the death is needed, as there is a better method. The upasaka has to again and again re-iterate about whatever he has undertaken in his life time, instead the death itself can be avoided, when the body is dropped if the Self realisation is achieved in the lifetime. That is because there is not individuality to die (which has already merged with the Supreme at the time of Jivanmukti).


1. Reflect on verses 15,16 and 17 on the mood of the seeker while chanting these prayers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **ANSWER:** Surya is taken as the Prateeka and Upasaka is in the death bed, and he is addressing Hiranyagarbha as Pushan, the imperishable effulgent apekshika satya to show the passage that is hidden by the Hiranmaya patra, meaning the golden rays of the Pushan is serving as an obstacle to be one with that Lord whom he was worshipping through upasana for his life time. He feels that since he has been with love and devotion worshipped the Hiranyagarbha, through the alambanam of Aditya Mandala purusha, he has got the satya nature to himself as well and so asking to remove the obstacle as both the totality and Individuality (sukshma) are same. The glories of the Pushan is given further in the verse 16 such as - One who traverses alone - One who controls everything - One who takes waters, prana and Rashmi/light in Him. - One who is the son of Prajapathi Then finally the prayer is to collect all the rays as he wants to look at the Lord, who is in the auspicious form or most charming lovely form. Finally he feels the aikhya with the deity of worship, which he has been learning from the shastra in his lifetime, he is now experiencing it. This is because of the **Ahangruha upasana **. So, the verse ends with the realisation that sah eva aham (meaning the oneness with the Hiranyagarbha). Finally in the verse 17, he places request that may his individuality (prana/suksham sharira) be merged with the Samashti vayu (Sutratma). He even mentions that the sthula sharira may it be burnt into ashes, as he does not care about it anymore. This is because he has merged with the deity of his worship. He addresses Hiranyagarbha (as one who is known through Omkara and also addresses him as the Sankalpa atman, i.e., the Samashti thougts of all, and Kritho is the Sambodhana, which means Oh Lord) to remember him and hand hold him to the Satya loka as he has practiced his whole life time the upasana with utmost sincerity. The Upasaka's mentality in the death bed is the feeling and the experiencing of oneness with Lord of his worship in his life time, thereby these are not the request but instead more like an order as he has got the identification established with that Sutratma. 2. What does the upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **ANSWER:** The upanishad conveys that though this is the highest form of death for a upasaka, to take up the Devayana but still why the death is needed, as there is a better method. The upasaka has to again and again re-iterate about whatever he has undertaken in his life time, instead the death itself can be avoided, when the body is dropped if the Self realisation is achieved in the lifetime. That is because there is not individuality to die (which has already merged with the Supreme at the time of Jivanmukti).
edited Oct 1 '23 at 8:02 pm

Hari Om,


  1. The mood of the seeker is that even though practicing lifelong upāsanā he has reached the stage of ahaṅgraha-upāsanā and identifies himself with Hiranyagarbla - soham asmi still at the time of death he continues to have stress of not seeing the Lord and the worry that for a few sins perhaps he may not be taken on the devayānah path to Brahma lokah.

  2. The upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses that ultimately even reaching to ahaṅgraha-upāsanā through the combined practices of karma and upāsanā the individuality remains, with death one goes to take future embodiments and ignorance continues. When the seeker takes refuge in the Self the result of īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam is that having gained Ātma vidya ignorance ends, the delusion of individuality ends and therefore there is no death at the fall of the body, the cycle of birth and death ends.


Hari Om, 1. The mood of the seeker is that even though practicing lifelong upāsanā he has reached the stage of ahaṅgraha-upāsanā and identifies himself with Hiranyagarbla - soham asmi still at the time of death he continues to have stress of not seeing the Lord and the worry that for a few sins perhaps he may not be taken on the devayānah path to Brahma lokah. 2. The upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses that ultimately even reaching to ahaṅgraha-upāsanā through the combined practices of karma and upāsanā the individuality remains, with death one goes to take future embodiments and ignorance continues. When the seeker takes refuge in the Self the result of īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam is that having gained Ātma vidya ignorance ends, the delusion of individuality ends and therefore there is no death at the fall of the body, the cycle of birth and death ends.

Reflect on verses 15,16 and 17 on the mood of the seeker while chanting these prayers.
The seeker is on his death bed and chanting these prayers to his deity, the Surya Mandala Purusha to remove the brightness of his covering so that he can see him. he is identifying himself with his deity and not as a servant because of his long years of upasana. he is asking the fire deity to merge his elements with hiranya garbha. Even though, this could be the best death anyone can ask for, it is not tension free. he is still identified with his body and thinking that he is dying.


What does the upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses?
The Upanisad is conveying to us that we should not attempt this. It is not worth it. We should give up the identification with this body and abide in the Self. It is telling us to go beyond death as there is no death for one who has identified with the Self.


Reflect on verses 15,16 and 17 on the mood of the seeker while chanting these prayers. The seeker is on his death bed and chanting these prayers to his deity, the Surya Mandala Purusha to remove the brightness of his covering so that he can see him. he is identifying himself with his deity and not as a servant because of his long years of upasana. he is asking the fire deity to merge his elements with hiranya garbha. Even though, this could be the best death anyone can ask for, it is not tension free. he is still identified with his body and thinking that he is dying. What does the upanisad want to convey by the description of the above verses? The Upanisad is conveying to us that we should not attempt this. It is not worth it. We should give up the identification with this body and abide in the Self. It is telling us to go beyond death as there is no death for one who has identified with the Self.
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